Embersilk Bag

I'm presuming that they've changed the mats for the bag since your post. There's no need for Volatile Fire to make this bag - you now need 15 [url=http://cata.wowhead.com/item=52555]Hypnotic Dust[/url] per bag. They've also either changed the number of bolts required or the number of cloth per bolt. This makes the raw mats for one bag: - 75 Embersilk Cloth - 15 Hypnotic Dust Your 4 inventory bags: - 300 Embersilk Cloth - 60 Hypnotic Dust Your 7 bank slots: - 525 Embersilk Cloth - 105 Hypnotic Dust Total - bank and inventory: - 825 Embersilk Cloth - 165 Hypnotic Dust

The most easiest way to gather the raw mats as Tailor. Go to [zone=4922] then go to the ridge west of Crushblow where groups of the Orgs fighting. They have not high health and with an aoe spell caster (like [spell=120644]) you can gather them up easy. Disenchant all the greenies. I got there multiple times 100 [item=53643] in a hour. Hint: use [item=58488] and you can loot [item=67539] inside the boxes you can find more cloth and greens !

Actually as of this patch i am posting under the best for any caster aoe (mage,lock) is in deepholme, Crimson expanse where the trogs are fighting/jumping off cliffs they are always respawning.In one hour timespan I was able to farm up 1200 cloth and alot of misc volatiles along with gold/greys/greens! and ofc that was useing a potion of treasure finding

It's NOT Crimson Expanse, but the opposite side of Deepholm from Crimson Expanse : Fractured Front @ about 24 60 (between Needlerock Slag to the North & Stonehearth to the South). Unfortunately this area has had the drop rate nerfed to almost zero. I had only ONE Embersilk Cloth drop from my first kill, then nothing for over 50 subsequent kills of the Troggs at Fractured Front in Deepholm <cry> :(( (plenty of coin, no cloth, no other stuff - NON-tailor character, without enhancements.)

The Ogre village in Twilight Highlands near Crushblow has also had the drop rate nerfed. I only got 20 cloth from 2 clears of the entrance closest to Crushblow (SE / Horde side) , 1 clear of the Alliance (NE) "entrance" and a number of kills within the village itself. I'm on a NON-tailor character, without enhancements.

I will be testing these location soon, but something that a large number of non-tailors forget is [spell=59390] which works for any cloth after [item=33470] Which means: [item=53010], [item=72988], and [item=111557].

Of course, there are a ton of 22 slot bags, some of them "free" - who doesn't have one from OS at this point? - so happily, it's unlikely you'd need quite so insane an amount of cloth and dust :)

There are six 22 slot bags in the game (before cata) and a lot of people (mains) will have maybe 3 - 4 of them. Over your bank and inventory you have 11 bag slots, then you have alts, bank alts, low levels or toons you haven't done OS or FoS on and unless you are super rich and/or a tailor most people will have used [url=http://www.wowhead.com/item=41599]Frostweave Bags[/url] as their main bag.

A [i]lot[/i] of these will be made and sold in the coming months, I know I need at least 50 of them and I already have a couple of [url=http://www.wowhead.com/item=51809]Portable Holes[/url] and about four 22 slot bags already!

These bags will be the new [url=http://www.wowhead.com/item=41599]Frostweave Bag[/url] and I'm sure they'll be in high demand in coming months. But first the AH insanity must calm down. Right now in my realm [url=http://www.wowhead.com/item=53010]Embersilk Cloth[/url] is at least 8g if you can find enough, most times 12g-15g, [url=http://www.wowhead.com/item=52555]Hypnotic Dust[/url] is at least 22g. so with the Above list: [ul] [li]75 Embersilk Cloth x 8g = 660g[/li] [li]15 Hypnotic Dust x 22g = 330g[/li] [li]Total for 1 Bag 990g[/li] [/ul] [url=http://www.wowhead.com/item=41597]Abyssal Bags[/url] sell for about 200g and getting all the mats they're still around 180g. [url=http://www.wowhead.com/item=41600]Glacial Bags[/url] are often less than 200g, so for now, the older blue items are a better option.

right now the bags sell for less than 1/3 of the mats. It's much cheaper to buy em from someone who used them to skill up than to try and buy them right now.

i think this should of been a 24 slotter and the Illusionary Bag should have been a 26-28, the only reason anyone would make these would be to level tailoring

Eventually embersilk will be so inundated that the price will drop below current frostweave levels (which is surely beginning to climb even now). Then this will be the better option. Transitions take time, supply does not match current demand.

@kalerender still has not happened. embersilk has always been more expensive than frostweave.

+5 skill up

That +5 Skill up only works for the first 2 bags, and that's only if you are right at 480. Once you hit 490 this pattern yellows and you get no +5 bonus. Seems a shame that bonus doesn't continue on even when the percent of getting a skill up is going down.

Note if you get to 489 then make a bag, you get the full +5. useful if you're trying to skimp on mats to skill up.

ty serf ^^ good advice :D

The problem is the materials needed to create the embersilk bag. 75 embersilk cloth and 15 hypnotic dust. Its insane. They should lower the mats down to 40 embersilk and 2 eternium thread.

<edit> As for glacial/abyssal bag... the mats are quite expensive nowadays. Shadow goes for 40g a pop on my server. To farm 8 eternal shadow + 4 eternal fire would take longer than to farm 75 embersilk + 15 hypnotic dust. But hell yeah, if you can find eternal shadow cheap.. go for it!

The best way to make these is to farm embersilk. Then either farm enough to disenchant, such as making deathsilk gear, if you can. Deathsilk Belt[url=http://www.wowhead.com/spell=75248][/url] and Deathsilk Bracers[url=http://www.wowhead.com/spell=75249][/url] are the way to go as they sometimes disenchant with 4 dust. Also they require the least amount of embersilk Or have an alt make green items for you to get dust from. The latter is better because you can save on embersilk cloth.

Cost comparison of Embersilk bag (22 slot).... (edited for patch 4.2.2)

75 Embersilk Cloth (2g each, 150g) 15 Hypnotic Dust (3g each, 45g) Tip (50g) = [b]245g~[/b]

... and Abyssal Bag (22 slot)

4 Eternal Fire (20g+ each, 80g) 8 Eternal Shadow (8-10g each, 80g) 60 Frostweave Cloth (2g each, 100g) 12 Infinite Dust (4g each, 48g) 1 Eternium Thread (2g) Tip (50g) = [b]350g~[/b]

Just thought this could help someone :P

While these numbers change daily, this is still good info. My theory here is that there is more of an abundance of Cata materials which would be the cuase of the lower cost to make.

If I have a choice between these 2 bags, at those prices on the AH, I would take the lower cost bag. The Abyssal Bag has to sell at 245g to compete.

Too much dust...

This is why tailors should also be enchanters, or have an enchanter alt. (Actually two alts with JC/Alchemy/Tailoring/Enchanting is about as sweet as it gets, but that's another post). I'm swimming in dust. I make 20 of these a week just to keep the dust from piling up in my bags.

[quote]This is why tailors should also be enchanters, or have an enchanter alt.[/quote] Absolutely. It's been an axiom since vanilla release that "tailoring is the gathering counterpart for enchanting, and vice-versa".

@Serf you save even more if you first skill tailoring to 384 and than make 2 bags. the difference should be 72 bolts to 16 if you do it before (=56 bolts of embersilk cloth= 280 embersilk cloth!)

thank you!!! :D

Currently still the best bag in my opinion, being the most slots with still a decent cost (depending on server) because of the materials being fairly easy to get. I stocked up on cloth buying it from a supply at 35g a stack which equalled about 100g a bag and was selling them in mop for 500-1000g each. I got a supplier for 60g a stack which is about 250g a bag not quite as good but still a good way to make money. All I do is have my Postal add-on auto-open all mail cod to me whilst making them all into bolts, then I buy the dust and make them into bags and mail them to a bank to sell. I put up 12 every day (updating it so I'm always the lowest price) So if you hate farming you can semi-afk this method and make some decent money.

Personally, on my server, embersilk is still expensive going from 50g - 100g easily per stack. Since you really only need these bags for endgame farming and collecting, and since while leveling you won't collect THAT much stuff you keep aside from the rare vanity raid loot etc, you can easily wait till level 87-90 before getting these crafted. I farm my embersilk in the Stonecore, which yields around 50-55 cloth per run on my 90 Death Knight Tailor. I don't have enchanting, so I buy the dusts for roughly 20 - 25 gold or so, since I also get some BoE greens from the Stonecore DE'd for me. Total cost to make a bag is 25 gold at most. I can sell in the AH for 300-450 gold depending on whether or not there are any other generic bags that have 16 slots or more in the AH. It does take me 20-30 minutes per run since I have crappy gear and I normally take a level 82-85 with me for the heck of it, but it takes me roughly one hour total to produce bag, plus I have spare cloths for a second bag. The BEST part about this, is that every time I run it, I don't do heroic, so I can re-run again and again, and I have a chance for a mount drop :D I got the mount twice this way, and the second time, my 84 friend paid me 4,500 gold for it, nice easy cash. (This friend was with me in the instance). The junk/BoP greens+ I have, I either sell to my friend who's running with me, for prices of 50-150 gold, or I vendor it. So overall, the average I get is a good 50 cloth per run, plus 2 -5 BoE greens, depending on luck. Additionally, around 4 or so BoP blues, with trash junk. Trash + blues (if friend doesn't buy) go for a good 100 gold or so. Overall, 100 gold, 50 cloth, 2-5 BoE greens, and a satisfied customer. (The dungeon run is only 10 gold, and they get a nice little xp gain) :D Best thing is when I sell the cloths to tailors leveling instead of crafting bags. I sell the cloth to them for roughly 100 gold (1 gold per cloth), and then they craft the bag for me for free. Win win.

Death Knight tailor...?

My professions are reaally messed up, but my priest does blacksmithing, my deathknight does mining, and it gets worse. When I started, I didn't understand the benefit of professions (class-wise, leading to the mess-up. Now, I'm 600 in 5 professions, so it doesn't make sense to change it really. PLUS, my death knight can farm the fastest, with a variety of AoE's and being Frost, can kill stuff alot quicker than a warlock, mage or priest could, so I can farm cloth ALOT faster.

Good advice on bags, but you don't seem a good friend. "I got the mount twice this way, and the second time, my 84 friend paid me 4,500 gold for it, nice easy cash. (This friend was with me in the instance)." The mount is BoP and if you already have it you can't learn/sell it. So assuming it was just you and your friend in instance, sounds like you kinda robbed him of 4.5K gold seeing as he would be the only one who could use it. And on top of that, you sell your "friend" blues which you clearly don't need.

The most easiest way to gather the raw mats as Tailor. Go to [zone=4922] then go to the ridge west of Crushblow where groups of the Orgs fighting. They have not high health and with an aoe spell caster (like [spell=120644]) you can gather them up easy. Disenchant all the greenies. I got there multiple times 100 [item=53643] in a hour.

Hint: use [item=58488] and you can loot [item=67539] inside the boxes you can find more cloth and greens !

Thank you so much for this comment. :) I was able to make my alts some bags without having to pay 515g per bag on my realm's AH! Thank you!

once you clear them out it takes a long time for them to respawn... I assume you're talking about 43, 72

On our level 90 we do so fast aoe damage that we clear the floor there pritty fast. But the re spawn is not bad, and consider that other area the spawn-timers are the same. Only here the groups are near each other and large enough to gather the mats faster. Or you fly around in and grind elsewhere in between.

The Ogre village in Twilight Highlands near Crushblow has had the drop rate nerfed. I only got 20 cloth from 2 clears of the entrance closest to Crushblow (SE / Horde side) , 1 clear of the Alliance (NE) "entrance" and a number of kills within the village itself. I'm on a NON-tailor character, without enhancements.

Don't forget that the honor trade goods and justice trade goods still sell embersilk cloth and hypnotic dust. For a total of 6500 honor / justice points, you have enough mats to make a bag.