Ced's Carver

this is a world drop afaik. i've seen it drop in couple of instances already.

Has a very strong black glow, similar to the lobotomizer. Very easy to get starter dagger for level 70. There are a ton of 71dps daggers, it shouldn't have too high of a buyout on the AH. Dual weilding them makes a nice mutilate combo.

I honestly dont know of many better mutilate daggers outside of raid drops, you're not going to find much more in terms of Slower or Higher base Damage as far as easily obtainable level 70 daggers go.

Personally I'd say http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27913 is better/as good, and on top of that it has the most awesome looks ever :) Equally easy to obtain from Murmur.

has no +crit strike rating though, which makes it no where near as good

dagger skill rating acts as both +hit and crit. It has a little less crit than ced's. It's on the same level.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=32659#comments Crystal-Infused Shiv. A little harder to come by, due to the whole shard grinding element, but I prefer this one. Same speed, damage range and DPS as Ced's, but it also has better stats imho. Here's how they play out: Ced: 0.72 crit 30 AP 130 health Crystal: 0.27 crit 51 AP 120 health 0.55 dodge 22 AC What it boils down to is whether or not you're willing to sacrifice half a % of crit and 10 health for half a % of dodge, 21 more AP and some armor. I know I am.

Found one in a Solid Adamantite Chest in Auchindoun: Shadow Labyrinth.

I got one on my shaman a couple weeks ago, sold it for 150 after trying for 200+ twice and thinking about just saving it for my rogue. Now I got my rogue leveled up... bought one for 90g for him today.

Ced's Carver is a great dagger to get once you hit 70. It has decent stats and solid dps to get the job done. imo, this dagger would be great for mutilate or combat daggers considering its relatively high damage. Even though it has a low drop rate, you can find these on the AH all the time for about 150-200g (server price will vary of course). No doubt about it, this is a great lvl 70 starter dagger.

I have 2 of these and weather it was luck or ? they droped within 4 weeks from a Shattered Hand Blood Guard in SH. think maby the droprate is higher than posted.

150-200g wow, thats funny. I bought 2 Ced's Carvers, 40g for the pair off another Rogue. Don't pay more than 40g each, should be be able to get them for fairly cheap.

They go for more than 200g on my server. Telling someone what to pay for something regardless of server isn't very helpful.

did you not read this part: (server price will vary of course)

bought yesterday from AH for 10gold (yes ten gold). dunno maybe the guy forgot to add a zero to the end. :)

This came out of a random chest in normal-mode Steam Vaults for me.

Exactly the same, in stats, as http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28416 So you might want to save yourself from buying the carver and trying Arcatraz.

Hungering spineripper is free, but there is always 3 or 4 of these things on the AH.

If you're interrested in the sword version of this weapon you should get http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28267 It got the exact same stats, if you wanna go combat swords instead of daggers

Actually goes for 80g on my server :(

Oddly enough it also has the same stats as http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28267 except that's a sword (not the exact same, but the same dps)

that's a 15% drop rate, you'd be an idiot to try and go for that over Ced's Carver. 50g is alot easier made than a 15% boss drop in arcatraz.

Got two of them within an hour of each other farming the Mechanar. Kept one for myself and sold the other for 150g. Great upgrade and a nice weapon if your guild is just starting out in Kara. For anyone else wanting to sell it, I suggest waiting till Blizzard nerfs Mechanar farming and these will be worth a lot more. I regret not doing that now.

They are nerfing it in the next patch (2.2), they changed the places of the chests so they are almost impossible to get solo.

This dagger is one of the best (outside of raiding) daggers availabe. Not only is it a half decent weapon, with good DPS, and hitting reasonably hard, it is unbeleivable easy to aquire. You will find these in AH most of the time, and only costing on average, 150-200g (expect to pay this), i managed to get a bargain, obtaining two of these weapons for a mere 120g. Bargain. If you are looking for a weapon to start with when you hit 70, or looking to upgrade, quickly and cheaply, this is the perfect chioce for you.

Yeah I ended up buying these a month ago for around 50g each on Warsong. Very cheap, but great daggers. The higher damage and slower speed also makes for good ambush's and backstabs. The only decent upgrade worth the trouble if you aren't already in any heroic dungeons is just get a good Arena team together and go for the Glad daggers. By the way, anyone know who "Ced" is? Apparently this is his dagger, but a quick search yields no results on wowheads.

Ced's dead, baby. Ced's dead.

how about ced's in main and http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25763 in off hand and assasin specced?

naaa man... maybe its an easy dagger to get... but its pushing the too fast side of things and realistically at lvl 70 u will want/need a dagger to be 71 dps MINIMUM!!! my sever... these babyies can get to like 20g!!!! yes 20G!!!! so its easy enough to do a few dailies and get 2 ceds daggers and go muti....

Skip this and get the Whispering Blade of Slaying. http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27913 1.9 speed = more damage on mutilate.

Also, the +skill is amazing for mutilate, because you're using two daggers.

This item can be had from anything between 20 and 200 gold and your telling me to go hunt for an item that has a 11% drop rate on a PUG killing boss. My alt is never going to pug Murmur let alone do guild runs(its an alt). So yeah it might be a bit better but this item is MUCH easier to get

Arc is in fact requiring a flying mount (~1000g) to reach. Figured I'd say it regarding your link to the BoP one :)

Not with warlocks being able to summon into instances with the latest patch.

@ Flority It is nice to have a 1,9 speed weapon as mutilate. But Ced's C. has critical strike rating and more attack power. Crit being the key to the mutilate build I'd say Ced's C. is the better choice. Or ofc the dagger from arcatraz, as it has the same stats :)

is this good for a fury warrior??

In patch 2.4, summoning people as a Warlock in Netherstorm is possible, so you would not need flying mount but at least a warlock in your group.

Over the course of doing dailies, dungeons, etc, I've managed to have two of these drop. I've been saving them for my lower level hunter alt, who I'm considering spec'ing Beast Master. I'm wondering if dual-wielding these is a good idea at 70. Any suggestions?

I'd say get http://www.wowhead.com/?item=29329 , from Sethekk halls quest.

Yeah, you could better get the polearm. The great amount of +stamina is nice, and the +agility gives you and your pet, more dodge rating and more armor, besides the extra crit ofcourse.

These two only give a little less stamina, which is not critical, while they give you more crit and AP than the spear's 54 agility. So dual wielding them for a hunter is better than the Terokk's Quill.

True, unless the hunter is Survival speced

For a BM hunter, get the [url=http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31291]Crystalforged War Axe[/url] from AH and pop a +35 agility on it. That's gonna stay with you until you get [url=http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28587]Legacy[/url]. They are both ugly as sin, but serve their purpose and do it well.

I'm 66, and on my server this is going for around 35 to 40g. Should I go ahead and buy one now while the price is good, or wait for something else? I have a very good OH for now (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31193). I'm currently a Subtlety spec, but that will probably change after the Cheat Death nerf.

Thanks for the help!

throw a nice +50 AP on it and it will pown

What does this look like when it's enchanted? Do both particle effects run at the same time, or does one overwrite the other?

only the black glow shows up when transmogged onto a weapon with landslide on the PTR

I can confirm newmanfancypants' statement as of the 4.3 live version. The black glow overrides glows from enchants.

Here follows a list of daggers with glows or effects that will override weapon enchants. Please feel free to suggest additions or changes to the list. [item=17780] - Black [item=31193] - Icy Blue [item=31305] - Black [item=32659] - Black [item=44217] - Poisonous Green [item=29346] - Poisonous Green [item=34604] - Icy Blue with Particles [item=18816] - Fiery [item=29182] - Purple [item=12260] - Yellow [item=18878] - Poisonous Green [item=21802] - Blue [item=69621] (and the off-hand) - Purple [item=20214] - Purple

The Ceremonial Warmaul Blood-Blade from the Ring of Blood quest line has a Fiery look that overrides weapon enchants. /item=25763

This weapons black glow will override enchant colours. Also, it seems that this weapon have a smaller glow when previewing it from your bag and a more compact glow when equipped, transmogified and/or previewed at the Auction House. This looks pretty good dual-wielded by a rogue because of the black glow is more "Stealth'ish". Bought it for 100 gold on my realms Auction House as an Alliance at Tarren Mill (EU).