Avool's Sword of Jin

Apparently a Bind on Equip world drop which can be found from high-level mobs and/or trash in raid instances, like [url=http://www.wowhead.com/?item=31332]Blinkstrike[/url] was in TBC.

Why on earth would you want to duel wield these? It's much too fast for a mainhand, for any class.

With weapon normalization, how does the weapon speed affect dmg? Does it affect white only dmg since all 1h's are treated as if they are 2.5 speed? (Using the formula on wow-wiki.)

Dual Wielding these would only really benefit a hunter, for stats. I'm pretty sure there's better out there for them at any rate.

Well you dont' know every class obviously, as hunters will want the fastest possible melee weapons in order to regen mana as fast as possible with AoV. And if anyone says LOLMELEEBADK, yeh no crap, thats why you melee something like a healer or pet.

actually aov's bonus from attacks is scaled based on weapon attack speed so having fast melee weapons isn't going to help a whole lot

Dropped for us in Naxx10 trash, probably a world drop but not totally sure due to some other trash drops there being BoE aswell.

Found it Today off of a lvl 80 Cult of the Damned mob in Ice crown.

Dropped for me on a Lvl 80 Cult of the Damned mob in Icecrown as well today. I'm gonna guess Dragonflame is right about it's drop locations.

Just got one in Storm Peaks, so yes, it is a world drop.

Found this in Halls of Lightning on Heroic. Sold For 7k even.

Got this from runesmith in icecown.

This is a nice sword and all, but not worth the amount of money that some would be selling it for. The grasscuter for marks is just a tad off of this sword, but 50 marks is very easy for anyone in decent BC gear to get running heroics. If this sword drops, great! But would save the money.

This sword would be miles ahead of Grasscutter due to the hit rating. Unless something changed and I didn't notice it, hit rating is still the top stat for a combat rogue. Hope I get lucky and find one of these :)

Actually, once you are past the poison hit cap, agility becomes the stat for everyone ;)

Actually once you hit 300hit (The poison cap) Agility is the best stat point for point. Expertise is still good, but should only be attained in passing, not aimed for.

Wrong. We don't need poison cap now, just specials. So 99 hit is all you need. For Mutilate: [b] Stat EP Str 1.1 Agi 2.0 Crit 1.6 Exp 1.9 Haste 1.4 ArPen 1.0[/b] Hit is worth about 2.2 below the yellow hit cap, 1.8 below the poison hit cap, and 1.3 above both caps. For Combat: [b]Stat EP Str 1.1 Agi 2.0 Crit 1.5 Exp 1.6 Haste 1.4 ArPen 1.2[/b] Hit is about 1.8 below the yellow hit cap, 1.6 below the poison hit cap, and 1.4 thereafter. From http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t37183-pocket_guide_wotlk/ EDIT: This is assuming you have 5/5 precision, duh.

Actually, you're wrong. At lvl 80, against a raidboss (lvl 83), with no debuffs decreasing chance to hit (or increasing chance to miss), the amount of hit you need to not miss a special attack is 132 (131.16) [b]IF[/b] you have [url=http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=13845]5/5 Precision[/url]. If you don't have Precision at all, and the same rules apply, your special attack hitcap is 296 (295.11).

Bought this beauty for 2,7k and considered it cheap. Will be of good use on my rogue since it's better than at least 25man naxx sword offhands for rogues and to the poster few posts above me at least my spreadsheet rates agi over hit even tho I do not have 17% hit on bosses with misery and draenei buff. Actually after you have the 17% on bosses even crit beats hit. ;)

The Savage Cobalt Slicer is slated for ner#$%e in 3.0.8. Considering you're comparing a lvl 74 required crafted item to a lvl 80 required drop, I guess it shouldn't be a surprise.

"of Jin" seems to be a reference to Jinn (Genie), which is, in Islam [and other beliefs in the pre-islamic period but most profound in islam] the closest equivalent to what we know in English as a Demon. A pretty fitting name for this sword, and the look of it I'd have to say supports this reference.

Also, if you check the "Same Model as" tab, you see [url=http://www.wowhead.com/?item=33467]Blade of Twisted Visions[/url] which drops from Zul'[u][b]jin[/b][/u]. Not sure if that's a coincidence or not, just pointing out what I noticed.

An interesting theory, but many others have suggested that the sword is actually named after Vulajin (a central member of the rogue community, and the creator of one of the major DPS spreadsheets for rogues). CAPTCHA - zacne: Acne while you sleep?

Jin has nothing to do with Genies, Rogues or other random things. Jin in Warcraft is an honorific in Troll names, generally meaning a great leader or figurehead. See Zul'jin, Vol'jin and the like.

No, "Jin" is Troll-anese for "Great". So it would be something like Vol'( The Great ). So it would be [i]"Avool's sword of Greatness"[/i] But according the Vol'Jin's profile (Wowwiki), the name Vol'Jin is used as a title than name.

It's my understanding that this sword's name is an homage to [i]Vulajin[/i], a Troll Rogue in <Serious Casual> on Mal'ganis; he's one of the most prominent figures in the Rogue community. Blizzard frequently names NPCs and items in this manner. Move the syllables around: Sword of Vool-A-Jin

dropped for me off some trash mob in heroic old kingdom

Dropped last night from nax trash on the way to Noth.

[quote]True, Rogues are all about specials but don't neglect that off-hand weapon.[/quote]

Err, no. Dual wielding white attacks have the same hit penalty, your offhand doesn't miss any more than your main hand. And as stated above, hit is still a decent stat, but you shouldn't even gem for it.

EDIT: I love how I'm getting voted down but not replied to, where's your evidence that I'm wrong? Ask any rogue Elitist Jerks and they'll tell you about EP weights and how hit isn't that great.

An excellent sword. 10 man combat Rogues will not see a better off hand than this until they get to Malygos.

[quote]Err, no. Dual wielding white attacks have the same hit penalty, your offhand doesn't miss any more than your main hand. And as stated above, hit is still a decent stat, but you shouldn't even gem for it.

EDIT: I love how I'm getting voted down but not replied to, where's your evidence that I'm wrong? Ask any rogue Elitist Jerks and they'll tell you about EP weights and how hit isn't that great.[/quote]

You are wrong, any rogue that has ever run Recount will tell you that about 70% of all damage comes out of white damage. Go to www.maxdps.com and see which weapons are valued more. All of the items on maxdps are listed in accordance with the shadowpanther.net spreadsheets.

And yes, I voted you down.

Stick with 2x Savage Cobalt Slicers hunters (At least until 3.0.8 comes out). This isn't worth it for us.

it is Kalu'ak revered yes:) as for DW, here is a superb option for us hunters: DW this weapon and [url=http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39730]Widow's Fury[/url] or just 2 X Widow's Fury very good combo for hunters.. fast weapons, makes for high raptor strike crits, but thats not why they rock together, 81 agility, 124 raw attack power (+the ap from agi), 31 hit and 25 haste rating and crit from the agi. 2 X this would give: 76 agi, 124 raw AP+76 from agi, 62 hit rating. So slightly worse in every stat exept hit rating, but I'm not so sure you'd need all that hit rating, but if so, then 2 of th

[url=http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44053]Whale-stick harpoon[/url] would be even better than 2 X Cobalt slicer:) more agi, stamina, power, same hit.

Yep. Now that the slicers have been dumbed down in patch 3.0.8 that is a decent upgrade. Other possiblites include 2x Broken Stalactite (revered - sons of hodir) and 2x Fang of Truth (honored - wyrmrest). That harpoon is revered kalu'ak I believe.

To be honest i can't see one reason why a hunter would want two of those over Journey's End or Black Ice, or even Cryptfiends Bite.

How about the part where you can ding 80 and equip these without having ever entered a raid instance?

I actualy think that Hatestrike from Naxx 10man is a better off-hand since that one gives 9 less hit rating but a lot more crit rating though. I prefer a nice hit rating and a lot of crit so for me Hatestrike is better. But if you go for the max hit capp its a nice sword indeed!

No joke right? They don't get the BOE significance.

The sword is really nice for Pre-Raiding content for Rogues(I guess other Classes also). But if you have doing 10man Naxx - You should be able to be have good enough gear to start Pugging 25man Naxx. You can kill [url=http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=15956]Anub'Rekhan[/url].You can get [url=http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39714]Webbed Death[/url] (Don't mind the "Feral AttackPower" stat, got changed in the last patch) and be using any MH but mostly a Fist Main hand and Dagger Off-hand (In which is the best setup for a Combat Rogue's and Mute also they can Dual Wield these). The Dagger has higher stats (just 10 less Hit Rating, but slightly more Attack Power a nice 31 Crit Rating, but more Agility which is always good to scale better w/ [url=http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=25898]Greater Blessing of Kings[/url]).

Current Weapons Equip [url=http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39416]Kel'Thuzad's Reach[/url] Main Hand [url=http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39714]Webbed Death[/url] Off Hand With Double [url=http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=59621]Berserking[/url]

In which I love the double proc.

And yes I know the Sword is BOE but... Still not worth getting over 2.5k IMO, and sure hell it's not the best weapon in the game so not worth wasting the gold if you don't have it.

This is one of the best offhand in the game for combat rogues. In the spreadsheet with my current gear it's the 3rd best offhand in the game behind Webbed death and Hailstorm

I'm sure Webbed Death is great for a Combat Dagger offhand, and great in both hands for Mutilate.... But this is a SWORD. Why would I use this over Webbed Death as Combat? Simple: [url=http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=13964]Sword Specialization[/url] doesn't proc off of a dagger strike.(Not even considering that Sword Specialization is currently broken on Live, anyways) No more needs be said.

It's been mathematically proven that Close Quarters Combat(Increases Crit by 1/2/3/4/5 percent with fist weapons and daggers per talent point) has a higher dps output for rogues. While this sword is nice, any FW MH/Webbed Death OH will out DPS a Cswords rogue of equal skill. edit: Should probably say any epic level 80 FW(iLevel 200 or higher), rather than any FW.

YMIRHEIM- Saronite Cave I fought one of the Mistress (Forgot the name) guarding the front entrance of the cave and it dropped...its actually my 1st monster kill for the day when the sword just dropped lol I decided to keep the sword and put it in my rouge

wow that is a D**K move on your part! i was in a group with a few guys from rockjaw guild the sword popped up we rolled one of the rockjaw guys won and he was very gracious about it! I hope u do something for ur your guildie that u ripped off! and dont say he had lots of gold or that he already had the sword! Bad karma is bad karma!

This just dropped for me while doing a daily quest for The Sons of Hodr, Hot and Cold. Was dropped by one of the Brittle Revenants! I was shocked when I got the drop was getting off once I completed that daily and bam surprise surprise surprise.

why does every mob on the ''droped by'' have 0%chanse to drop it?

It simply means that the chances are lower than 0.05% (or was it 0.1%) round the numbers up and u get 0%

Overall nice sword for combat rogues. I seen it on Stonemaul AH for only 1100g and I was blown away (because of the fact I've been wanting it for sometime and it was usually a bit expensive): http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc266/trippinonx2c/WoWScrnShot_031809_111838.jpg I didn't have enough money lol

Does your right hand spasm every ten seconds, hitting enter?