Quest

Winning is for Losers, Anyway

A World of Warcraft quest in Undermine. Facts and objectives from the current retail game data.

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mailman842025-04-13T08:22:40-05:00+7via Wowhead

Kill tarbo bailiffs and tarbo pitwatchers in the area and they'll drop a Miner's debt marker which you can use to free the Indetured Debtors.

DirtyPenny2025-07-08T19:11:16-05:00+3via Wowhead

I have 638 level gear and I can't surive this place. It's easy to fight 8-12 goblins at once and you're losing 1000k per second from ranged attacks. Feels like the new Defias Pillager. I'm trying to do the quest but damn. DIed a few times already I'm no where near done.

Kinshippo2025-05-22T21:41:01-05:00+1via Wowhead

Is there any point to the extra points you get, or are those just for flavor?

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Quest facts

LevelLevel 80

ZoneUndermine

Quest ID83527

Check whether you have already completed this quest in-game: /run print(C_QuestLog.IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(83527))

What to do

StorylineHard Ways at the Gallagio, step 7 of 20

Rewards15g 49s, 5,900 XP

Description

This is the worst job I've ever had. And I used to work Turtle Toss at Darkmoon Faire. We're not imprisoned here physically with shackles, but Tarbonara owns all of our debts. He imprinted the information on Debt Markers, which his goons hold on to in case any of us want to know where we stand. But if you get a hold of those markers, we're all free. You'd have to crack some skulls to get them though, so I'll give you points for each of his goons bring down. You like collecting points, don'tcha?

Where to go

Pins are the quest’s own POI points from the current retail client, projected onto the in-game zone map. The game marks one blob as the quest’s turn-in; the rest are objective areas. Points that fall outside a map’s window are dropped rather than guessed at.

Coordinates

Turn-inUndermine 56.4, 65.5/way #2346 56.4 65.5
Objective area (centre of the marked area)Undermine 59.7, 79.8/way #2346 59.7 79.8
Objective areaUndermine 56.5, 65.7/way #2346 56.5 65.7
Objective areaUndermine 56.2, 75.5/way #2346 56.2 75.5

Map coordinates of the pins above. An area the client draws as a shape is given by the centre of its points.

Nearby on the Undermine map

Ready Check about 20 yards
The Thingamajig about 30 yards
Racing the Clock about 30 yards
Production Halted about 40 yards
Get Our People Out about 90 yards
It's Worth a Shot about 100 yards
Check the Schedule about 100 yards
Stealing the Keys about 100 yards
Nowhere Left to Hide about 120 yards
Black Blood Baton Pass about 140 yards

Quests whose map markers the client places closest to this one on Undermine, nearest first. Distances are straight lines between the markers.

Getting there

Flight points closest to the quest’s turn-in marker on Undermine:

The GallagioAlliance and Horde · about 260 yards north-east
The HeapsAlliance and Horde · about 320 yards south-west
The Incontinental HotelAlliance and Horde · about 380 yards north-west

From the turn-in, the objective areas lie:

Objective areaabout 210 yards south
Objective areaabout 140 yards south

Straight-line distances in yards between the quest’s own map markers (QuestPOI) and the client’s flight-point positions (TaxiNodes); flight paths and terrain are not modelled.

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Money15 gold49 silver

Experience5,900 XP

Other quests on the Undermine map

Storyline

Hard Ways at the Gallagio

Part 7 of 20.

Previous: Gold In Them There Trash · Next: All Part of the Game

Showing steps 2 to 13 of 20.

Storyline order is the client’s own QuestLine data from the current retail build.

Where this quest fits

Before this quest

Taken from the storyline's own step order.

Gold In Them There TrashUndermine · Level 80
Kayjay and Davey are indeed masters of creating games. They've created a new one for me that's been an absolute hit. If you're willing to accept the risk, then I will give you the chance to win their employment, and debt, from me. Grab a pickaxe, and enter the landfill.

After this quest

Taken from the storyline's own step order.

All Part of the GameUndermine · Level 80
Look. I know we're the ones that incurred our own debts, but Rosebud believed in us! With him, there was a light at the end of the casino floor. With him gone... We're just two halves of a gaming genius, working for hire instead of salary.

The storyline at a glance

Hard Ways at the Gallagio has 20 steps, from But What About the Casino? to Oh, That Casino!.

Maps its steps are placed on (steps per map): Undermine (20).

Steps of this storyline count toward:

Sojourner of Undermine Complete the optional Undermine storylines listed below.

Other storylines on the Undermine map

Ignite the Fuel of Change20 steps, starts with End of the Day
Undermine Awaits15 steps, starts with Welcome to Undermine
Uncovering the Truth15 steps, starts with Red Tape
Skyracing8 steps, starts with Skyrider Racing - Skyrocketing Sprint
Breaking the Shackles7 steps, starts with Ethereal Invasion
The Perfect Wedding7 steps, starts with Or Else

Steps, storylines and map placement from the client’s QuestLine, prerequisite and QuestPOI data; neighbouring quest text is Blizzard’s own (quest API), shortened to its opening sentences.